It is in great shape. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw SG taking over. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. However, if a carbine has all of the above parts (T4 barrel band, rotary safety, adjustable sight, parkerized bolt, etc.) Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for
The Type IA barrel band is marked KV-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 59). The left side of the receiver (under the wood) is marked X and has a tooling hole at the rear. Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. The muzzle gauges 2.5. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. / 44. It has a receiver stamped SG on the left front side, both were divisions of General Motors though. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. All Rights Reserved. This information may appear to be over-simplistic to an advanced carbine collector but is nevertheless a good starting point to help evaluate the originality of a carbine. The M1 Garand was a fantastic rifle. It was reliable, accurate, and powerful. And it was a semi-automatic service rifle in a time when almost every powerful nation was issuing bolt action rifles. If you want to find out more, heres a video that discusses why it was such a great rifle: The hammer is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 89). A few stock and/or carbine restoration
M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. Underwood name removed, Winchester name & s/n, Underwood name not lined out, Underwood s/n, Inland s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, Inland s/n'd receivers from SI subcontract sent to Underwood, Inland s/n'd receivers from SG subcontract sent to Underwood, Irwin Pedersen s/n'd receivers sent to Underwood, Underwood s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, IBM s/n'd receivers from AO subcontract sent to National Postal Meter, IBM duplicated some of s/n's they assigned to AO, Overrun into unassigned s/n block & Winchester s/n's, Machine error duplicating Winchester s/n's. were available. The Underwood barrel is original. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. *Post Reserved in case I run out of space*. The M2 Carbine had a selective fire capability i.e. full auto. Neither the M1 Rifle or the M1 Carbine had a selective fire capability. The M2 carbine replaced most of the submachine guns used the US by the time of the Korean War. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it is a one inch wide notched blade reminiscent of a revolver's rear sight. Here is one for you. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. All Rights Reserved. Dating a carbine by its serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation
3?7XXXX ? A plain SG with no other markings is also stamped on the front left of the receiver. 4 1/16" (approx.) the store. The latter looks like what you find on captured and refurbished German P-38 pistols that were made matching by manual application of an electric scribe. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. Parts wear out, carbines are disassembled for the sale of the parts individually. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. XA27, XA62, XD14). This beautiful firearm is part of a 50+ year old collection! It has a barrel stamp of 10-43, but also has the stamp of Blue Sky/ Arlington, VA. Everything appears to be original and shows very little wear. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. It makes a difference. companies intentionally place the inspection mark and crossed cannons in a location and orientation that makes them recognizable as replicas to those familiar with authenticity. We can be contacted at the following e-mail address. Some of these blocks were split up and used before or after other blocks. These marking(s) and their location(s) varied based on needs and/or intent. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. Each prime contractor was assigned a code letter: Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be expected to have all R coded parts. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. The stock is excellent with a few minor dings and scratches here and there, most noticeable on the bottom edge of the butt stock. SG on left side of some receivers, not all. Most websites are poorly
of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. Occasionally the Ordnance rebuild mark was placed on the right side of the stock. The buttplate shows light scrapes & some discoloration along the edge. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. XA through XD was assigned for use by their Engineering Section on carbines built for testing and evaluation by their engineers. Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. They were located in different cities. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel
Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). Serial number blocks were assigned by the Ordnance Department on an as needed basis, generally in response to the awarding of a contract to a given manufacturer. S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? During the course of production of the Type III stock for the M1 Carbine several manufacturers began making changes
with Inlands war effort. Winchester made 828,059, followed by Underwood Elliott-Fisher at 545,616, That way, were helping small businesses in
The hammer is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 89). be complicated. The bore shows an M.E. The Irwin-Pedersen contracts were terminated by Ordnance. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Irwin-Pedersenhad assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. Which Saginaw? Saginaw SG took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG parts. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. There is light erosion at the muzzle. Bogus trolling question. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:There is no magazine. Irwin-Pedersenran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. 7 day inspection period on all website purchases. There is insufficient data to determine if every serial number between the lows and highs was duplicated or if it was random. CARBINE / CAL. There is a P stamp where it should be. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. Barrel Date: March, 1943 Caliber: .30 Carbine Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine Markings: of 0.5. M2 selector switch, it was a type III stock manufactured by Winchester or Inland prior to
The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Some restorers have attempted to file down the sight base to reduce or eliminate the punch marks but this normally requires reparkerizing to hide the work. Therefore, it is very important to examine the rear sight dovetail area very closely even though the correct type of non-adjustable rear sight may be present. subcontractors, suppliers, members of the military or government, and others to show appreciation for their assistance and cooperation
All things being equal, the value of an original carbine is greater than even the best restoration. on the right. We'rebringing a level of
Both were Divisions of General Motors. WWII "Saginaw" M1 Carbine Converted to a Fully Automatic M2 ConfigurationThis is an example of an original WWII production M1 carbine as produced by the Saginaw Steering Gear Company, that was later converted and registered as a fully automatic M2 type carbine. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Rather than assume the documents were followed to the letter, the serial numbers in tables C-F are presented with the lowest and highest reported to date. General Motors Steering Gear Division. It is in about Good condition. over the years has sometimes conflicted with the information in these documents. Factors like durability, reliability, and functionality are all important things to consider when choosing your next hunting go-to. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Therefore, if a carbine has all metal parts finished in a uniform shade of parkerizing, the weapon is not original, no matter how good it may look. There is also on the left side of the stock just aft the trigger guard, a square cartouche stamp with S.A. inside the square and a C stamped inside the square below the S.A. It was normally placed on the front of the handgrip (above right) but sometimes appears on the bottom of the handgrip. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in There is no erosion. Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 65). This rareIrwin-PedersenM1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. Letter prefixes X through XD were initially allocated by Inland for carbines intended for internal use only. see comments at the best online prices at eBay! The barrel flat is marked with a flaming bomb. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. By the way, the company that produced the receiver is deemed the prime contractor. receivers were brought back online and completed (i.e. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. I have never really studied the parts or did much research. The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left which is consistent with Saginaw SG and others (page 29). Simi Valley, CA 93065. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. The top of the barrel is marked UNDERWOOD / 3 43 and P. There is grease residue on the receiver. Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. Most of the markings are deep. Two of the most significant areas to observe are the barrel and rear sight base. Click Here to view our Gunbroker page! There has to be either a period or apostrophe after each letter of the SG on the receiver heel. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. Some stock
Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. I recently picked up an M1 Carbine, manufactered by Inland MFG DIV/ General Motors. IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. Sent the OP some pictures of an all S'G' I had listed here last year, didn't get a single request for pictures from members, and asked two questions but had no reply. And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. Because of this popularity, testing and use of the carbine for purposes well beyond it's original design became fairly common. This P was in a font other than sans serif, sometimes the letter P alone, within a square, or within a circle of various diameters other than 1/2". 30 M1.; the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 3426991. / GENERAL MOTORS / 1-44 and P. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. It's listed with Inland. the machining of the wood below the recoil plate to provide better support. Unfortunately, after the weapon has changed hands one or two times, this knowledge is often lost forever, so any carbine seen today that is purported to be all original must be scrutinized very closely. The carbines used for this purpose were not from inventory submitted to or accepted by the government. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. another state. Get a heads up on all of our Sales, Promotions, and news updates (about 1 email per month). Ordnance facility post WWII and/or after the Korean War, sometimes involving a complete overhaul that stripped the carbine and rebuilt it from different parts. A little history of Saginaw (S.G.) and its carbines. Wood being wood, it is subject to cracks. Military AAY inspector stamp on left of stock near reciever. The bore shows an M.E. Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't Inland receivers initially rejected because of an off spec deep hole drilled for the recoil spring and guide, later recovered and altered to use a detachable main spring housing). The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. Collector references books such as my Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine and Larry Ruths excellent War Baby books are recommended for anyone wishing to explore the subject in greater depth. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli,
We hope to raise awareness and understanding for the collector community, as well as encourage new collectors to join the hobby. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. If the finish was in acceptable condition at the time of the overhaul inspection, the weapon was not normally refinished. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? Chambered in .30 cal, A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. It's an S'G' not an S.G. The decision for which receivers
On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. Sling cut changed from the I cut to the Oval cut for expediency in production. During the first half of production the barrels were often mounted on a receiver within 1-2 months of when the barrel was made. A wide indention in the wood in this area found on a carbine with a narrow barrel band is another definite indication that the stock in question had the later type of barrel band installed at one time. While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. The smooth push button safety is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 95). The trigger group is marked IP on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. The receiver is marked SG under the wood and uses a wide locking tang. Visit our website for new treasures daily. An adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug were added, likely for issue during the Korean War. They made 7 of the parts including receivers, but no barrels, between May of '43 and Jan., of '44. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. Numbers were issued sequentially, beginning where
designated it as a replacement. Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. except stock which is Inland 1943. marked: JM, Amco, MMQ,J.M.Q. With World War 2 M1 sling. There is virtually no color distinction between
The markings on the
barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top)
block in the same time frame. American Black Walnut had a long history of Irwin-Pederson M1 Carbines are RARE. Serial I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return. Yellow Birch heartwood tends to be a light reddish brown, with nearly white sapwood. The rifle comes with a green canvas sling. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. The smooth push button safety is marked E-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 95 & 185). The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. It shows light discoloration & spots of soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes on the metal. Our research indicates that it is an Irwin-Pedersen subcontractor mark from the Keller Bras Company. The one and only finish approved for use on the wood of the Caliber .30 Carbine was raw linseed oil. They should not be altered or fired. All Rights Reserved. With World War 2 M1 sling. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. departments within Inland over the years of production. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1 or M1A1, and some of the M2's, were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. When the narrow L type non-adjustable rear sights were replaced by the adjustable variety during overhaul, the later types were generally staked into place by punch pricks on both sides of the sight base. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish as refinished. The only firms that made their own barrels were Inland, Winchester, Underwood, Rock Ola and IBM. Thinning on the trigger group. It shows light soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes & discoloration on the metal. Another word of caution is that brand new reproduction carbine stocks have been produced within the past couple of years. The magazine release is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 100-101). A circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle stamped in the bottom of the handgrip (above left) was sometimes used as a proof mark at several prime contractor facilities to indicate a completed carbine
author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. I do know it is a really nice M1 and I would not part with it. Ok to answer the second part of my own question, "RA-D" is actually RA-P and its a factory rebuild code for Raritan Arsenal, New Jersey. The stock rates in about Fine overall condition. Saginaw took over production in Grand Rapids and marked the facilities M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. Post WWII, the Office of the Chief of Ordnance (OCO) assigned replacement numbers to armories, arsenals, and depots
The stamps used for the Caliber .30 Carbine stocks are also available. I have one, 1776xxx. The M1 Carbine was widely issued to U.S. Military Forces which numbered over 16 million during WWII. All original WWII carbine bolts are believed to have been blued. SOLD - Saginaw Gear M1 Carbine. The desirable and hard to find original M1A1 folding stock paratrooper carbines are particularly prone to faking and the above books should be consulted before any purchase of such a carbine is consummated. S-C [stamped sideways] O-S [in curved type] SI SL [circled] Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Saginaw or Saginaw'. The bolt is marked IP on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 36). Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. Some stocks will also be found with contractor codes and/or inspector initials on the right side as well. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it Some were sequential but many were not. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). DIV. Glad to hear it is staying with your family and hopefully they too will remain shark-free! Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. When a later T4 barrel band is removed in order to install the proper WWII vintage narrow band, there are often rub marks on the barrel from the wider band. Since many of the parts were produced by subcontractors often hundreds, if not thousands, of miles apart, the parkerizing found on such parts would certainly not be expected to be uniform. Excellent overall condition. If a Saginaw S'G' strip it down to see if it has any IP Irwin Peterson parts, could be a transitional carbine. Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. If inventory ran out it could shut down production. then allowed to dry. There is fouling and intermittent light erosion in the grooves. Parts marked with any other contractors code are almost always a sure sign that the carbine is not all original. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Irwin-Pedersendid not produce barrels. The letter X preceding the serial number
12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. No import markings. The serial number was placed on the carbine receiver during the manufacturing process of the receiver, not when the carbine was finally assembled. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. Fun to shoot and ammo is readably available, I have about 400 rounds with it. your community AND if they have it in stock, you can pick your gun up
Forgeries are a serious concern for collectors. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW S G / 1872994. Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. Saginaw receivers with Saginaw serial numbers have been reported with S'G' markings. 317XXXX. No documentation from Ordnance, or any of the prime contractors, has been found that indicates the date and serial number of carbines as they were assembled or when they passed
Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand The letters were followed by
The magazine is marked I-P-K upside down which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark not listed in our source material (page 142 -143). Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. We believe we sell living history, and honor the veterans who fought and died for our freedoms. After the Irwin-Pedersen was canceled. Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. receiver. What are you basing your question on? To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. I'm sure it's not all original. Markings: There is no visible import mark. It is possible you have an S'G' barrel that was mated to a Stan Prod. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. It is this
The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. http://m1family.com/general-history-rbine-t33.html, http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/serialnumbers.html. However, the majority of carbines made in WWII had the non-adjustable L type rear sights. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in
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